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well...this is a general thread...and i hardly know where to put this...
but~~~~~~~~~
some of you know i have a growing interest in psychology...
so i thought we'd discuss terms in psychology and what we think of them...
if that makes any sense. ^^;;

my current points of interest w/in psychology is the Oedipus complex (Freud) and the shadow (Jung)

for those who don't understand, here's an explanation in a nutshell:
Freud - famous dude that made a major impact on psychology.
Jung - another famous dude that was the student of Freud and made an even bigger impact on psychology.

Oedipus complex - if you've read the book, Oedipus Rex, you'll recall the prophecy about him that says he'll sleep w/ his mother and kill his father. the Oedipus complex derives from that. In short, Freud says that we are attracted to traits in our parents. That does not mean we all, at one point in our lives, want to commit the crime of incest. It means that when we pick a spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend, or any liking of the opposite sex (i'm think about yul when i say this..haha^^), we tend to pick them because their characteristics can be found in our parents.
why from our parents?
because that's what we grew up with. we are most comfortable (whether you like it or not) with our parents. and thus, we pick traits found in our parents.
HOWEVER
the reverse can be true as well. if in your childhood, your biological needs or your feelings of safety were not met because of your parents, you will pick a spouse completely opposite (or boyfriend/girlfriend etc etc) from your parents.

The Shadow
Jung came up w/ this one. Basically, it's the animal instinct side of our species. our society, if you notice, requries us to be civil and poiite by being nice/kind/etc. thus, to have freedom as a country, we have to give up some individual freedoms.
(ex. you cannot steal 2 liters of soda b/c you were thirsty. if EVERYONE does that, we'll run out and have no money to support the factories that package them. SO, we have to pay for it.)
in a way, the shadow is like temptation. at our weakest moments, it appears.
an example i read in a Jungian primer was this:

an alcoholic has been sober for ten years. however, a close family member dies, and in his depressed, unstable, WEAK state, he begins drinking again.
why?
no, not because he was bad, but because his shadow urged him to do it. the shadow is our animal instinct that helps us SURVIVE. in this case, the man needed some alchohol because he felt vulnerable...
i think this one needs more explaining but...
based on that (and/or what you already know)...

what do you think?

Post Wed 26 Apr, 2006 04:06 AM   View user's profile Send private message   AIM Address MSN Messenger
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Mind you i have absolutely no knowledge in psychology by official book or by a teacher. My knowledge is by experience, theory and watching/reading stories.

Oedipus complex --> From what you've said, i found the theory to be very interesting. It is true that when we pick a spouse we would pick someone who is similar with a person we are the closest with and whom we feel most comfortable (parents/siblings/etc). Though, I always thought that when the reverse happen it is becoz u dislike the traits in parents.

Shadow --> Well in my opinion, the alcoholic guy starts drinking again after one of the family member died is becoz he is cornered. The question we have to look at here is not why he started drinking again. The question is why he stopped drinking. Obviously the person who died play an important role in him stopping. Everyone need someone/something to live in this world especially when things got tough. For the alcoholic guy, alcohol is something that makes him doesn't wanna kill himself. But then the family member comes along. Perhaps that person starts to tell him that she/he will be there for alcoholic guy. Thus the alcoholic is not needed until that person died. With no one to depend on he looks for the thing he can relies on, alcohol.

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I also think Psychology is very interesting though I know almost nothing about it...

Oedipus complex - I've heard a story about Oedipus from my brother or sister (they know so much about it O.o). I think it's probably true that ppl choose their boy/girlfriend, by the characteristics of the parents, (it can be that this isn't something about the complex anymore o.o )but I read that you also choose your bf/gf by characteristics from your first bf/gf or characteristics of your friends...

Shadow - I think it's both that the person who died could be someone who helped the alcoholic stop drinking, or that because he feels so bad, that he begins drinking again...maybe he stopped the first time because he knew he was destroying his life or something like that...

Post Wed 26 Apr, 2006 02:11 PM   
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who knows, (just to put a question out there)
if he or she is an extravert or introvert?
there's a test you can take for it...
but in simplified terms, introverts are those shy, inward thinkers
extraverts are the outgoing, social people

i know i'm an introvert...
does any one else know?

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Hehehe, definitely interesting XD

I heard about Oedipus complex before and the whole thing about choosing boyfriend/girlfriend who resembles one's parents. They've researched on it and did indeed come to that conclusion in a scientific magazine that I used to follow. It's quite fascinating, yet disturbing and yet logical ^^;;; We all want that sense of "security" and "familiarity"~~

Shadow: heh, I think the same as Rin no Rekka and Linachan... we all need something familiar, something/someone we can depend on when we feel vulnerable.

Dunno... I can be rather extravert when it comes to ppl I know, but I can also be really shy when it comes to total strangers and feel that it's uncomfortable talking with ppl I dunno via the phone and such... My family sometimes point out they can't tell what's going on in my mind, that I dun seem to convey my thoughts properly enough... so I guess I'm rather introvert in real life? I'm quite extravert online though ^^ Heheeh, my second face~ ;P
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I think they can be both. Introvert and Extravert but the probability of extravert being one is much higher becoz Extravert are those who tend to not have real friends since they are social. It means they have lots of friend but not all or none of them are his/her true friend. So they tend to not have something/someone to depend on.

Im same as okashira. I can be both.

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Yeah I also can be extravert and introvert.
I'm mostly extravert to ppl which I know, but also to complete strangers when my friends are around or so...
I'm really introvert at school, maybe it's because I can't really get along with those in my class, I just stand with my class during break, doing nothing. Though I'm kinda extravert with my only (best) friend at the school.

Post Thu 27 Apr, 2006 12:51 PM   
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@lina: sounds like you're an introvert to me...(i do that too)

to everyon else...?: just because you're an introvert doesn't mean you can't have any extraverted qualities. same goes vice versa...
if you have time to do a quesionnaire...
go to google
type in myers-briggs
and find the personality test. (jungian)
the test will tell you some stuff, and the first letter
will tell you if you're introverted or extraverted...

i'd be interested to know (if anyone does it) what your results were.
i'm an INFJ. (introverted, intuitive, feeling, judge (?))

to make it a bit more clear...
extraverts need that outside, social interaction. some sort of outside stimulation.
for introverts, that goes on inside.
if you tend to be outspoken w/in class, you're probably an extravert.
you also will probably have no issues w/ doing presentations...
introverts dread those...(it does not count if you're scared b/c you're unprepared..haha)
introverts also tend to be extensive readers.

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Shocked
Oedipus complex ? That really describe me.
I am looking for familiar face... these faces make
me feel comfortable. I am not looking for
gorgeous face, but a face that I can related to.

Post Fri 28 Apr, 2006 08:06 AM   
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In the test it turnes out that I'm a Extavert Sensing Feeling Perceiving.
But I think it isn't really reliable, because there were questions that depended in which situation it would be...

Post Fri 28 Apr, 2006 12:41 PM   
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*raises up a hand for introvertness* I'm definitely an introvert then. I don't really have that need to go outside in order to socialise and all that... I prefer sitting home at my comp ^^;;; And I TOTALLY dread any kind of oral presentation... >_____< Doesn't matter how much I've practised... my mind goes blank just before I have to start and I tend to talk extremely fast, reciting my presentation... I gotta have some kind of manuscript in order to make a presentation, definitely not those who can talk freely and improvise along the way. After a while when I've gotten a bit into the presentation my nerves kinda calm down a bit and I speak more slowly and relax considerably... but the agony before the presentation! >_____< *maximum dread!*

Naturally I love to read Smile So I guess I'm a typical introvert ^^;

Myers-briggs, huh? I learnt about that "model" when studying umm about projects ^^;;;;
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Freud-->although I usually really disagree with Freud, I agree we are all attracted to anything that will give us a sense of security in an unpredictable world. However, if I remember correctly, Freud based most of his deductions on raw sexual desire and the oppression of this desire in society, and thereby (in my opinion) graining humans down to animals. That is to say, he heavily implies that our basic foundation is unadulterated animal instinct - specifically the strongest force, that of reproduction, and that this force is as pressing and constant in humans as it is in any wild or otherwise animal-maybe even more since it is so strictly reppressed- thereby tainting the purity of love and affection with the never-sleeping sex drive.

I acknowledge that looking at the purpose of the human race in an empirical manner, it is impossible to deny the species ultimate purpose is the survival of the species through the passage of genetic code. But I'd like that to take a backseat to reason and compassion. I'd say that, for example, sex is instinctivly secondary to all of our other purposes, these being what all of us search for our entire lives and hopefully find in religion, or inner peace, or active participation in the community or whatever else we see fit. I'd hate to believe we are so simple.

Jung--> eh, I don't really have an opinion on his stuff, but I don't think we lean on our animal instincts. It's too stuffy nowdays and impossible with all the crap you're pressed to do. But I don't wish to do so anyways, so it's ok by me:)

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Oedipus-> I know I'm going to sound horrible in saying this, but the Oedipus complex isn't exactly attributing characteristics of family members to your significant other, though I do agree that it happens.

The Oedipus complex is a part of the phallic stage, one of the 5 psychosexual stages described by Frued. In this stage, the Oedipus complex is described as boys from about 3-6 jealously loving their mothers and viewing their fathers as competitors for their mothers' love, so they fear and hate their father.

Girls experience the phallic stage as well, and have what is called an "Electra complex". However, due to the gender inequality of Freud's time, girls are said to be "fixated" in this stage. From this, Freud justified the gender inequality.

Nonetheless, I do agree with your version of the Oedipus complex, because I, too, look for certain characteristics that my family has in guys.

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I'm sorry if I sounded like a snob, and if your version is really correct, I'd like to see where you found out about it. Because from the places I've read, the Oedipus complex has always been attributed to the phallic stage and castration anxiety.

<< was planning on majoring in psych and studied it all...

Post Sun 30 Apr, 2006 12:18 AM   
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Your not snobbing at all in my opinion. Do continue. You explain more in detail about the oedipus complex. And for those who have no idea about the studies of psychology like myself needs it to make an opinion so please continue about the details of Oedipus and other psychology terms.

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Interesting...
It's really facinating. I do believe in the shadow; the weak state of mind pressuring you into things you know are wrong, but when your concience is weak, what do you have to turn to that will stop you? It makes sense, just using the alcohol example further, many people turn to drinking in depression or sorrow. Partially for other reasons, the alcohol makes them feel better, and returning to the theory, because of that sudden change in mood, it is what one thinks he/she needs to survive, to stop the pain . It's instinct, and putting it all together makes sense. But then i have a question as to why, if all humans have this very instinct, why are some stronger against the same problem? While the one man drinks because he lost his wife, the man next door find comfort in religon after losing his daughter.

As for the Oedipus complex, I know little on this. Thinking around that too, I can only put in my personal opinion; it varies, common but with exceptions. "A man often looks for a mother in a girlfriend." and vice versa, a woman looks for the sense of protection in a man, usually a quality a female finds in her father. "Daddy's girl." (This theory based mainly in a hetrosexual theme) Whislt this is probably most frequent among people, there is no way it can be the consensus. Isn't there an imbalance then when it comes to homosexual relationships? And isn't there an exception when there is a person looking for the exact opposite of someone who reflects a family member (Ie. Parent), for example because they have some strong resentment? I think maybe what really should be said is that one does not look for someone who reflects their personal family, but one that represents some sort of protection/comfortability/closeness, just simply qualaties you often find in families, not exactly from your own. I think that way it goes for most, surpassing sexual orientation, gender, personal emotion/memories that affect that person.

I think in both cases it leads to the past and the upbringing, at leats as a large factor, because then there is soem teachings of a way out or defence against that weakness, or if there is a certain quality in teh family life that makes that something you hold dear and want for your future.

I don't know, either I've sounded like a total moron all along or I've just spoken in circles either way I'm satisfied I understood what I've wrote at least. xD *sigh* =/

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